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<p>Thanks for the reply. I've created a repository for the companion appender project at <a href="https://github.com/sbabcoc/logback-testng" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk718042" previewremoved="true">https://github.com/sbabcoc/logback-testng</a>. I still need
to create a README for this project, but it's in a usable state.</p>
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<p>I'm a relative newcomer to open-source software development. Besides a README file, what other documentation should I include with this project? Also, should I produce official releases of the associated JAR file? If so, where can I find detailed descriptions
of this process? </p>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> logback-dev <logback-dev-bounces@qos.ch> on behalf of Ceki Gülcü <ceki@qos.ch><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> logback developers list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [logback-dev] Logback PR #352: Add appender for TestNG Reporter</font>
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I agree that with hindsight the inclusion of DBAppender in Logback might <br>
have been a mistake. If it were today, it probably would have not made <br>
the cut.<br>
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My offer to reference ReporterAppender from logback's web-site still <br>
stands.<br>
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On 1/12/2017 7:08, Scott Babcock wrote:<br>
> The set of appenders provided by the main Logback project includes<br>
> implementations for nine vendor-specific database products. The target<br>
> audience for each of these database appenders is significantly smaller<br>
> than the target audience for the TestNG Reporter appender provided by<br>
> this PR.<br>
><br>
><br>
> In a recent survey of dependency references in GitHub, the TestNG<br>
> library comes in at #20 on the list of the top 100 most frequently used<br>
> libraries. The only database flavor that comes close to this level of<br>
> popularity is MySQL, which came in at #26. HSQL comes in at #54, and the<br>
> remaining SQL flavors didn't make it onto the Top 100 list.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I can migrate the TestNG Reporter appender to a companion project<br>
> without the need to duplicate core unit test classes, by adding a<br>
> "test-jar" dependency to my Maven project. While this is functional,<br>
> it's less than ideal, as it makes this appender more difficult for<br>
> potential users to find.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Does any of these factors tip the balance in favor of incorporating this<br>
> new appender into the main Logback project?<br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> *From:* logback-dev <logback-dev-bounces@qos.ch> on behalf of Ceki Gülcü<br>
> <ceki@qos.ch><br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:00 PM<br>
> *To:* logback developers list<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [logback-dev] Logback PR #352: Add appender for TestNG<br>
> Reporter<br>
><br>
> Hi Scoot,<br>
><br>
> Thank you for posting your question on this list.<br>
><br>
> ReporterAppender is probably not useful enough for a wider audience. As<br>
> such, I do not think it is advisable to incorporate it into logback proper.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Ceki<br>
><br>
> On 1/11/2017 21:29, Scott Babcock wrote:<br>
>> Hi!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> My PR #352 (<a href="https://github.com/qos-ch/logback/pull/352" id="LPlnk810528" previewremoved="true">https://github.com/qos-ch/logback/pull/352</a>) was closed,
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>> stating that it’s not generic enough. Given that TestNG is the most<br>
>> widely used Java testing framework in the world, how much more generic<br>
>> does a Logback logger need to be for it to be included in the mainline<br>
>> project?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The primary challenge with spinning this up as a separate project is<br>
>> that much of the basic building blocks for developing loggers and unit<br>
>> tests haven’t been defined or published in a form that facilitates<br>
>> extension and importation of these existing declarations. Consequently,<br>
>> it’s necessary to duplicate a significant volume of the implementation<br>
>> from the mainline project into the companion logger project. This is<br>
>> terribly inefficient and exposes the external project to the risk of<br>
>> breakage as revisions are applied to the mainline project that aren’t<br>
>> automatically picked up by the companion project.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Please advise.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks!<br>
>><br>
>> = Scott Babcock =<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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