<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi, a long time lurker here 🙂.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div>So, I suspect the issue is with k8s and it's volumes for config maps/secrets symlinks are a pain point in Java. Even inotify based WachService cannot handle them.</div><div><br></div><div>The issue is that logback is only using a timestamp to detect configuration file changes, which is fine as we know in 99% of Java usages.</div><div><br></div><div>However, this doesn't seem to work with the config map volumes supplied in a k8s env because they use symlinks which don't cause the timestamp to change, I agree it's weird and unexpected.</div><div><br></div><div>However, supplying configuration files via K8s config maps is going to start being a much more common use case as time passes.</div><div><br></div><div>Logback should probably start including a checksum to detect if the contents of the file have changed and use a logical OR with the timestamp check so that either changes causes a reload.</div><div><br></div><div>FYI, I had to patch a similar issue in Apache Felix Fileinstall due to the same k8s config maps/secrets issue [1]</div><div><br></div><div>My 2 cents,</div><div>Ray</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FELIX-6229">https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FELIX-6229</a></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri., Aug. 20, 2021, 5:35 a.m. Ceki Gülcü, <<a href="mailto:ceki@qos.ch" target="_blank">ceki@qos.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Kedar,<br>
<br>
Have you tried to reproduce the problem on a stand alone machine without k8?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/08/2021 00:41, Kedar Sirshikar wrote:<br>
> Hello Ceki,<br>
> I tried debugging by reproducing the issue and observed that after 7th <br>
> attempt of log change, autoScan stops working.<br>
> <br>
> Have you came across similar issue in 1.2.3 version where autoScan does <br>
> not pick changes from config xml if it gets changed after a certain count ?<br>
> In the meantime, I am trying to see if same issue occurs on 1.1.3 <br>
> version because setMainWatchURL method inConfigurationWatchListUtil is <br>
> different on both versions.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Kedar.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:00 AM <<a href="mailto:logback-user-request@qos.ch" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">logback-user-request@qos.ch</a> <br>
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> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:51:09 +0200<br>
> From: Ceki Gülcü <<a href="mailto:ceki@qos.ch" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ceki@qos.ch</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ceki@qos.ch" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ceki@qos.ch</a>>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [logback-user] logback autoscan is not working<br>
> intermittently in k8s pod<br>
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> Hello Kedar,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I see that changes to the logback config file are picked up. There are<br>
> some errors reported when processing the configuration file but these<br>
> are unrelated to the issue at hand, i.e. auto scan not working.<br>
> <br>
> I don't have further suggestions.<br>
> <br>
> --Ceki<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 13/08/2021 09:59, Kedar Sirshikar wrote:<br>
> > Hello team,<br>
> > Just trying to check if anyone got a chance to look at this case?<br>
> > Appreciate if any clue/hint is provided to resolve this issue.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Kedar.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 12:57 PM Kedar Sirshikar<br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kedargsirshikar@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kedargsirshikar@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Resending the attachment by updating the subject. Please let<br>
> me know<br>
> > if any additional details are required from my side.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Kedar.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
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> > Date: Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 7:58 AM<br>
> > Subject: Re: logback-user Digest, Vol 115, Issue 2<br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Ceki, Thank you for the reply. Forgot to send the logs<br>
> earlier so<br>
> > please refer attachment.<br>
> > I have also added Notes at lines 1 and 91 to describe the test.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Kedar.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> > 1. logback autoscan is not working intermittently in<br>
> k8s pod<br>
> > (Kedar Sirshikar)<br>
> > 2. Re: logback autoscan is not working intermittently<br>
> in k8s pod<br>
> > (Ceki Gülcü)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 23:07:51 -0700<br>
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> > Subject: [logback-user] logback autoscan is not working<br>
> > intermittently<br>
> > in k8s pod<br>
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
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> > Hi team,<br>
> > I have raised a detailed query here<br>
> > <br>
> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a>><br>
> > <br>
> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a>>>><br>
> > about<br>
> > the issue I am facing.<br>
> > Can someone please share inputs or any hint for solving the<br>
> > above problem?<br>
> > Let me know if any details are required from my side.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Kedar.<br>
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> > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 08:39:46 +0200<br>
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> > Subject: Re: [logback-user] logback autoscan is not working<br>
> > intermittently in k8s pod<br>
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hello Kedar,<br>
> ><br>
> > Can you also provide the internal status messages<br>
> generated by<br>
> > logback?<br>
> > --<br>
> > Ceki<br>
> ><br>
> > On 11/08/2021 08:07, Kedar Sirshikar wrote:<br>
> > > Hi team,<br>
> > > I have raised a detailed query here<br>
> > ><br>
> > <br>
> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a>><br>
> > <br>
> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a> <<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68721761/logback-autoscan-is-not-working-intermittently-in-k8s-pod</a>>>> about<br>
> ><br>
> > > the issue I am facing.<br>
> > > Can someone please share inputs or any hint for<br>
> solving the<br>
> > above problem?<br>
> > > Let me know if any details are required from my side.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thanks,<br>
> > > Kedar.<br>
> > ><br>
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