[logback-user] commons-logging -> sl4j -> logback

[Chris Pratt]

In my case, a positional positioning formatter is just the beginning.  The
most important thing is a formatter that supports reflection, since there
is no other way to allow specification of nested object hierarchies without
requiring the programmer to always dereference those hierarchies whether
the data will be used or not.  If you have to call
user.getName().getFirstname() to pass to the logging system (not to mention
the two '+'s you're likely to need to get it into the message) you have
degraded your production performance to get the data you need to debug a
potential problem in the field.  If you could have specified it as ("User:
{0.name.firstname} from {0.address.city}, {0.address.state}",user) it would
have incurred no up front cost unless the statement was actually going to
be used.  The positional nature of the parameters in this case is as much
about parameter reuse as it is rearranging.
  (*Chris*)


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM, David Harkness <david.h at highgearmedia.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen <
> thunderaxiom at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the primary focus for this facility has been raw speed.
>>
>
> As well it should, IMHO. The goal for me is to provide a meaningful
> diagnostic of what's going on without impacting the running system too
> much, both when logging is turned on and off.
>
>
>> **
>>
>> In my understanding the primary usage of positional is to be able to
>> translate sentences more fluently into another human language.
>>
>
> Yes, it allows the parameters in externalized messages to be reordered
> while translating to other languages. I think if you're going to this much
> trouble to produce messages for the user, they are important enough to be
> left on all the time. Thus, you can pay the cost to format the message
> up-front using a tool more suited to that task and hand them off to the
> logging system.
>
> I don't see a strong need for positional parameters.
>
> David
>
>
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