[logback-user] varargs

[Sebastien Pennec]

Hello,

You are right: if you want to start a debate on the reasons for JDK 1.4 compatibility
of SLF4J, you might have a better result in starting it around there[1]. :)

About the relationship between SLF4J and logback, we strongly believe that, by
using SLF4J, users will have the most freedom. Using SLF4J is a prudent choice for 
developers, letting them choose their logging framework of choice at deployment time.

On the other hand, we are building logback and it really is a great framework. It has 
a broader scope than other frameworks, a different architecture and is built on work 
done by Ceki (log4j's founder and author of most of the code) for log4j 1.2 and 1.3. 
Logback also contains quite a few new possibilities.

For more informations, you might want to take a look at the presentation we are 
working on. Ceki will be soon presenting in Geneva the top 10 reasons for migrating 
to logback. There is a powerpoint file[2] online that is pretty interesting.

Sébastien

[1]http://www.slf4j.org/mailing-lists.html
[2]http://logback.qos.ch/10reasons.ppt

david_fire4 at hotmail.com a écrit :
> Convinced, but... ;)
> This is probably not the right list for this discussion (btw: what is 
> the relationship between slf4j and logback?), but can't there be an 
> slf4j version for Java 5 and one for 1.4?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien at qos.ch>
> To: "logback users list" <logback-user at qos.ch>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:57
> Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> Well, I guess that Ceki, the main author of SLF4J would answer this 
>> with more inside knowledge of SLF4J...
>>
>> But my guess would be that SLF4J will stay JKD 1.4 compatible for some 
>> more time... maybe a year, and probably more...
>>
>> Quite a lot of active development still use JDK 1.4, and it's not the 
>> point of SLF4J to push toward JDK 1.5, but rather to be a simple and 
>> widely compatible facade that lets user choose freely their logging 
>> framework.
>> As long as many developments use JKD 1.4 and some major logging 
>> framework also use this version of the JDK, I guess SLF4J will not 
>> break JDK 1.4 compatibility.
>>
>> Convinced? :)
>>
>> Sébastien
>>
>> david_fire4 at hotmail.com a écrit :
>>> Hello Sébastien,
>>> Good answer... ;)
>>> Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near future?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien at qos.ch>
>>> To: "logback users list" <logback-user at qos.ch>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02
>>> Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
>>>
>>>> Hello Zohar,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for using logback! :)
>>>>
>>>> Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can 
>>>> readily switch
>>>> back and forth between logback and other logging systems.
>>>> Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends 
>>>> org.slf4j.Logger.
>>>>
>>>> Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 
>>>> goodies, varargs
>>>> included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements 
>>>> SLF4J is bound to
>>>> the same constraint.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this answers your question,
>>>>
>>>> Sébastien
>>>>
>>>> Links:
>>>> [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
>>>>
>>>> david_fire4 at hotmail.com wrote :
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have 
>>>>> a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array 
>>>>> of parameter objects.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Zohar.
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>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Sébastien Pennec
>>>> sebastien at qos.ch
>>>>
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>>>> for Java.
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>>
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