[logback-user] varargs

[Zohar]

Just so if anyone finds this interesting (I hate finding the topic I need 
without it's resolution)...
Well, I did start a discussion on the slf4j list, only I wasn't the first 
one to do so...
It turns out that there will probably be a Java5 version of slf4j 1.1 
(expected by the end of the year), which will support varargs.
An accompanying Logback version should follow shortly after that.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien at qos.ch>
To: "logback users list" <logback-user at qos.ch>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:00
Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs

> Hello,
>
> You are right: if you want to start a debate on the reasons for JDK 1.4 
> compatibility
> of SLF4J, you might have a better result in starting it around there[1]. 
> :)
>
> About the relationship between SLF4J and logback, we strongly believe 
> that, by
> using SLF4J, users will have the most freedom. Using SLF4J is a prudent 
> choice for developers, letting them choose their logging framework of 
> choice at deployment time.
>
> On the other hand, we are building logback and it really is a great 
> framework. It has a broader scope than other frameworks, a different 
> architecture and is built on work done by Ceki (log4j's founder and author 
> of most of the code) for log4j 1.2 and 1.3. Logback also contains quite a 
> few new possibilities.
>
> For more informations, you might want to take a look at the presentation 
> we are working on. Ceki will be soon presenting in Geneva the top 10 
> reasons for migrating to logback. There is a powerpoint file[2] online 
> that is pretty interesting.
>
> Sébastien
>
> [1]http://www.slf4j.org/mailing-lists.html
> [2]http://logback.qos.ch/10reasons.ppt
>
> david_fire4 at hotmail.com a écrit :
>> Convinced, but... ;)
>> This is probably not the right list for this discussion (btw: what is the 
>> relationship between slf4j and logback?), but can't there be an slf4j 
>> version for Java 5 and one for 1.4?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien at qos.ch>
>> To: "logback users list" <logback-user at qos.ch>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:57
>> Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Well, I guess that Ceki, the main author of SLF4J would answer this with 
>>> more inside knowledge of SLF4J...
>>>
>>> But my guess would be that SLF4J will stay JKD 1.4 compatible for some 
>>> more time... maybe a year, and probably more...
>>>
>>> Quite a lot of active development still use JDK 1.4, and it's not the 
>>> point of SLF4J to push toward JDK 1.5, but rather to be a simple and 
>>> widely compatible facade that lets user choose freely their logging 
>>> framework.
>>> As long as many developments use JKD 1.4 and some major logging 
>>> framework also use this version of the JDK, I guess SLF4J will not break 
>>> JDK 1.4 compatibility.
>>>
>>> Convinced? :)
>>>
>>> Sébastien
>>>
>>> david_fire4 at hotmail.com a écrit :
>>>> Hello Sébastien,
>>>> Good answer... ;)
>>>> Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near 
>>>> future?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien at qos.ch>
>>>> To: "logback users list" <logback-user at qos.ch>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02
>>>> Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Zohar,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for using logback! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can 
>>>>> readily switch
>>>>> back and forth between logback and other logging systems.
>>>>> Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends 
>>>>> org.slf4j.Logger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, 
>>>>> varargs
>>>>> included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements 
>>>>> SLF4J is bound to
>>>>> the same constraint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this answers your question,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sébastien
>>>>>
>>>>> Links:
>>>>> [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
>>>>>
>>>>> david_fire4 at hotmail.com wrote :
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a 
>>>>>> varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of 
>>>>>> parameter objects.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Zohar.
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>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Sébastien Pennec
>>>>> sebastien at qos.ch
>>>>>
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>>>
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> Sébastien Pennec
> sebastien at qos.ch
>
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